Divergent States
The Divergent States Podcast cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, data-driven conversations. Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest community focused on the safe use of psychedelics, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show investigates the science, culture, and contradictions of the psychedelic world.
We explore how these substances impact mental health, creativity, and society, without leaning on mysticism or parroting industry talking points. From lived experience to peer-reviewed research, nothing’s off-limits and everything is up for scrutiny.
Past guests include Hamilton Morris, Dr. Rick Strassman, Dr. Rick Doblin, Leonard Pickard, and more.
If you're looking for reverent devotion, this isn't your show.
If you're after skeptical, intelligent dialogue about what psychedelics actually do, welcome to Divergent States.
Episodes
15 episodes
William Leonard Pickard - The Acid King, the Rose, and the Return
What happens when the most hunted man in psychedelic history walks free and joins us for a conversation?In this deeply reflective episode of Divergent States, I sit down with William Leonard Pickard: chemist, philosopher, author...
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Season 1
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Episode 15
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51:44
Dr. Anne Wagner on Relational Healing - MDMA, PTSD, and the Power of Two
What if healing didn’t have to be a solo journey?In this episode of Divergent States, host 3L1T3 sits down with Dr. Anne Wagner, clinical psychologist, researcher, and founder of the Remedy Centre in Toronto, to explore how MDMA...
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Season 1
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Episode 14
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1:03:07
Kyrsten Sinema on Psychedelics, Policy, and Veterans: Inside the New Bipartisan Movement
In this exclusive interview, former U.S. Senator Kyrsten Sinema joins Divergent States to discuss the future of psychedelic medicine in American healthcare. From Ibogaine and PTSD to policy reform and bipartisan collaboration, S...
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Season 1
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Episode 13
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32:57
Kevin Cranford – Behind the Curtain at MAPS: Culture, Communication & Controversy
This week, we sit down with Kevin Cranford, Communications Officer at MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), to talk about the upcoming Psychedelic Science 2025 conference — what’s new, what’s different, and why it’s shap...
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Season 1
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Episode 12
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47:25
Tom Feegel: Can Psychedelics Heal the Opioid Crisis?
In this powerful new episode of Divergent States, your hosts 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Tom Feegel—CEO and Co-Founder of Beond, a pioneering Ibogaine clinic based in Mexico, to discuss the unfiltered realities of healing, addiction recovery,...
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Season 1
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Episode 11
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58:46
Seven Principles of the Psychonaut w/ Valerie Beltran
What does it mean to be a responsible psychonaut?In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down again with Valerie Beltran, licensed therapist, harm reduction expert, and educator with the Zendo Project, to unpac...
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Season 1
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Episode 10
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48:48
Alli Schaper: Microdosing, Mushrooms, and Policy Reform
In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Alli Schaper, CEO of Supermush and co-founder of the Microdosing Collective, to explore the evolving world of functional and psychedelic mushrooms. Alli shares ...
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Season 1
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Episode 9
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1:04:03
JR Sawyers – The First Film About Set, Setting, and Psychedelic Therapy? A Trip Elsewhere
In this deeply personal and eye-opening episode, we sit down with filmmaker JR Sawyers, the mind behind the indie psychedelic drama A Trip Elsewhere. What begins as a conversation about a film turns into a powerful exploration o...
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Season 1
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Episode 8
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1:06:35
Valerie Beltran & Chelsea Rose – What Happens When a Trip Goes Sideways
In this powerful episode of Divergent States, we’re joined by Valerie Beltran and Chelsea Rose-Pires of the Zendo Project- an organization redefining harm reduction and compassionate care at festivals, events, and beyond....
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Season 1
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Episode 7
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1:06:31
DylAlien on Psychedelic Music Culture: Trance Rituals, Cosmic Giggles & Prankster Wisdom
In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Dylalien: psychedelic DJ, producer, schoolteacher, and longtime organizer of Goa Gil’s legendary all-night, open-air ritual dance parties. You’ve heard his music on this podcast,...
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Season 1
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Episode 6
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1:01:27
Wendy Tucker on the Shulgin Legacy & the Future of the Farm: Preserving Psychedelic History
In this profound episode of Divergent States, we welcome Wendy Tucker, daughter of Ann Shulgin and stepdaughter of the legendary Sasha Shulgin, the "Godfather of Ecstasy." Wendy shares intimate stories of growing up at th...
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Season 1
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Episode 5
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47:09
Rick Doblin Unplugged: Psychedelics, Parenting, Trauma & the Future of MAPS
In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Rick Doblin, founder of MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), for a raw, unscripted conversation on the future of psychedelic therapy, the dang...
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Season 1
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Episode 4
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1:05:16
Joshua White – Holding the Line: Fireside, Crisis Support & Conscious Integration
In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Joshua White, founder and executive director of the Fireside Project, a nonprofit creating a revolutionary model of psychedelic support through free, real-time emotional c...
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Season 1
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Episode 3
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43:36
Hamilton Morris: r/Psychonaut and the DEA
In this holiday episode of Divergent States, Hamilton Morris joins us for a raw and timely conversation on the unexpected role Reddit, Erowid, and online trip reports are now playing in DEA hearings. What happens when harm-reduction po...
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Season 1
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Episode 2
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