Tom Feegel: Can Psychedelics Heal the Opioid Crisis?

In this powerful new episode of Divergent States, your hosts 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Tom Feegel—CEO and Co-Founder of Beond, a pioneering Ibogaine clinic based in Mexico, to discuss the unfiltered realities of healing, addiction recovery, and the evolving landscape of psychedelic-assisted therapy.

Tom brings two decades of sobriety, a past life in global brand marketing, and deep experience navigating both the light and shadow of the psychedelic resurgence. This isn’t a conversation full of buzzwords: it’s a grounded, honest exploration of what actually helps people come back from the brink.

Together, we unpack what Ibogaine is, why it has a reputation for treating opioid addiction where other modalities fall short, and how the Beond model emphasizes safety, preparation, and integration over hype. Tom also shares stories from the frontlines: clients who arrive on death’s doorstep and walk away with not just sobriety, but a new story for themselves.

This episode dives into some hard but necessary questions:

•     Why do traditional Western rehab models have such a low success rate?
•     What does it mean to center human dignity in a treatment model?
•     How can clinics scale without becoming exploitative?
•     What role do communities like Reddit and independent media play in this movement?

Whether you're a harm reduction advocate, a skeptic, or just curious about where psychedelics are headed, this conversation challenges assumptions and offers a rare window into the operational and ethical complexities of real-world healing work.

Big thanks to our guest Tom Feegel for showing up with honesty, experience, and insight—and for the vital work he’s doing at Beond Ibogaine Clinic.
https://beondibogaine.com/
Appreciation to all our listeners, supporters, and community members who keep Divergent States growing with every episode.

Shoutout to our co-host Bryan for always bringing grounded, thoughtful perspective - and to you, for being part of this movement.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Overview of the Podcast
03:10 Tom Fiegel's Personal Journey and the Founding of Beyond Ibogaine
18:40 The Role of Community and Support in Healing
22:29 Challenging the Stigma of Asking for Help
24:04 The Importance of Self-Forgiveness and Growth
28:31 Redefining Healing and the Role of Medicine
28:58 Healing Through Vision: Moving Beyond the Past
32:13 The Role of Ibogaine: A Natural Healing Tool
36:05 The Journey to Treatment: What to Expect
45:26 The Ibogaine Experience: A Transformative Process

Transcript

0:14

Hey guys, welcome back. Bryan, what's up, man? Yo, what's up, Oh, not a lot. Doing the same old same old. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. That was a good episode last time. It's got some good at good traction that seven principles of second half. Oh yeah, absolutely. think if anybody that's like starting to get into psychedelics or anything like that's 100% worth a listen. That's a good place to start. Yeah. Kind of get your bearings of where to go. So yeah, it's, got a lot of good traction on, on YouTube, Spotify, lot of other places just kind of popped up real fast. I was surprised to me how quick it went because that was kind of our first episode, whereas more just us talking with someone rather than interviewing them. So yeah, tonight we've got our interview with Tom Fiegel. He's the uh co-founder. of the Beyond Ibogaine Clinic in Mexico. Right. Yeah. It's kind of a resort slash rehab center where, I mean, he's not only like kind of the hair club for men. He's not just a client. a, he now he owns the place. So. Yeah, yeah, I it's very interesting stuff. I'm excited to get this interview up there for everybody. Yeah, it was, and it was really good. He was just really interesting guy on top of everything. That's, I think that's my favorite part about doing this podcast so far is just the interesting people get to kind of chat with and talk with and just kind of blows me away. Oh, for sure. Yeah, I love it. But yeah, so we're going to sit back. We'll take a listen to some music and come back and you'll hear our interview with Tom. All right, everybody. So welcome back today. We're with uh Tom Fiegel from Beyond. He's CEO and co-founder based out of Cancun, Mexico. uh Tom, could you share a little bit of your personal journey and led to the founding of Beyond and your interest in the Ibogaine therapy? Well, thank you very much for having me, for inviting me on uh to be on with you and to share this. It's exciting times in this sector and uh we're delighted to be a part of this conversation with you. So thank you from that. We really love having you on here. It's great to anytime we can talk to different people that you know to kind of bring light on these these new and interesting therapies kind of help people out everywhere. So yeah Especially, you know, focused around addiction and everything. So that's great. Yeah. Yeah. mean, the gosh, where do I start? I mean, the basics are that a family member of mine was prescribed Vicodin when they were in their late teens, early 20s for dental procedure. And and, you know, like many people uh felt like uh that medicine did more than took the pain away. They said it made them feel normal for the first time. Anxiety, depression, they could work on it. uh But that dependency progressed. And then eventually uh they couldn't get off it. They couldn't get enough of it, they couldn't get off it, then they couldn't get it at all. And this pattern uh is pretty well known these days with uh Hill mills and all those stories of people over prescribing substances uh that led to the downfall of companies like uh Purdue Pharma and others. It's no secret that how many people ended up in that situation. They went to nine different rehabs in the United States, all the uh expensive ones. And tried to get off and would follow direction, would stay there 30, 60, 90 days and do it what they were told. And we'd get out and once again, we'd try to, we'd want to feel normal, you know, something we all seek, of course. ah eventually a friend said, Hey, if you really want to stop living like this, you need to go to Mexico and try Ibogaine. This was over 16 years ago. So if you think that this is what we're doing here at Beyond in Cancun now is pioneering. 16 years ago, was a totally different uh world. m They went to Mexico and the place they went had no infrastructure, no clinical infrastructure whatsoever. It was just somebody's house with a mattress and some Ibogaine. And it was a terrible, a very scary experience on every level. Going to a foreign country, not really understanding how to feel prepared, not having any coaching or psychological support to feel ready. And then the environment itself uh was woefully inadequate. But the medicine worked. The Ibogaine actually helped them not only get off the opioid, but most importantly gave them a sense of this profound insight into sort of the purpose of their life, the sense that they were here for a reason. You have to remember, you know, many people who are in chemical dependency lose all sense of a purpose in life other than, you know, using, avoiding being caught using, feeling like they're inadequate and want to get off it, but can't. It's a very, very stressful and dominating mindset and it's super uncomfortable. I myself have been in recovery and sober for 21 years. Congratulations, by the way, that's awesome. Yeah, they had an accomplishment. Thank you. Yeah, if you had met me, you know, early October 2003, you would have been getting a different guy. You know, I actually could not have been on a podcast for by by any means. Even that mindset of unworthiness of a sense of self betrayal of a consistent sense of self the abandonment, know, this unlovability, maybe a precursor for that that results from trauma or a precursor for chemical dependency. But it is definitely a continuous experience while you're in the throes of chemical dependency. You can't be present in the way that you want to. You feel this. We felt this tremendous guilt. the sense of like, I'm not here and you know, I can't wait to go get what I think I need, for example. Anyway, they went to Mexico, they did Ibogaine. Of course, you know, they have this life review, this sense that like my life matters. I'm here for a purpose and it's definitely not to take these substances. And by the way, I don't need them or want them anymore. And they started down this path. of telling people this story that I just summarized. And people would write and say, or call and say, where can I go? I know somebody that needs that, where can I go? And their answer always was the same. There is no place that I would recommend. There's a lot of sort of underground, there's some retreats, there's some smaller providers, but for some reason there was something not quite right with each one. And... A few years back, I thought, wonder if I can build the place they should have gone. What would that need to be for somebody that I love dearly in terms of the doctors? know, we started beyond in 2021. We started with one doctor, one nurse, and a few rooms. We now have 10 full-time licensed credential doctors. uh Some board certified in intensive care, some board certified in emergency medicine, and they are absolutely dedicated to the use of what they consider this to be a technology, right? They see this as a medicine and I see it as a medicine too. I have great respect for the ceremonial use of Boga and uh Ibogaine in certain environments. That's not the type of team member. that's overseeing our clinical operations. These people come out of very sophisticated operating environments where they wanna know what the results are gonna be from the substance or the procedure that they perform. We have 10 full-time doctors, 23 ICU certified nurses, the 24 hour care. And the reason for that is, That's what people need. This is not a retreat where everybody goes to sleep at some point. if you're uncomfortable in the middle of the night or something's not right in the middle of the night, you just wait until morning. You might run into somebody. We are registered as a class one medical facility, which in Mexico means we could function as a hospital. We have the skills and the... uh orientation of a mental health facility. You people come for PTSD or uh traumatic brain injury, uh depression, anxiety, and or chemical dependency. We don't focus exclusively on chemical dependency, but that's where we started. And then the environment is like a small resort. So it's like, if you took a little bit of a hospital, the right amount, know, doctors and nurses and equipment and procedures and medication management, great training, great talent, great dedication. And you took a little bit of a mental health treatment facility, the right amount. And a bit of a retreat focused on personal development, focused on facilitating with coaches and our tool, we've developed tools to help people go deeply into their own consciousness, their own vision of their future. how it's gonna impact their relationships when they heal, and you put it in a small resort environment. That's what BEYOND would be. So I'm deeply grateful that I was able to find the right doctors, talk to the right, I mean, obviously I'm not Mexican. My daughter is, we had a daughter here in Mexico last year. Thank you, very happy about that. um But I moved here because this is not yet legal in the United States. We specialize in Ibogaine, it's a schedule one substance. And we had to find the right advisors to figure out our safety protocols. We talked to both PhD level clinical psychologists that had experience in Ibogaine like Joseph Barsulia, PhD level researchers like Deborah Mash and others. MDs that had experience with Ibogaine, and we carefully architected the standard operating procedures, the safety protocols. And then we asked people to interrogate them and try to make them better, and starting slowly with one client. I was the first person to do Ibogaine at BEYOND, by the way. And it was a wonderful experience. But we're now at a point where You know, the brand has grown, the community around Ibogaine has grown. We're very grateful to be a partner in research, ah in giving back. We've been an early and large donor to Blessings of the Forest, a nonprofit that supports regenerative agriculture and community programs in Gabon and that region of the world. But we're now at 25 rooms, just over 75 employees or team members. And we did 40, I think 47 Ibogaine treatments last week. Wow, that's impressive. But each of them are hyper personalized. We're not trying to be the McDonald's of psychedelics or Ibogaine. No offense to McDonald's lovers. ah But we're not McIbogaine. is, we think about the idea of what we're really trying to do. Someone has found the courage to try a substance that's not even legal yet in the United States. And they're choosing to go to Mexico to do it. They deserve, really deserve to be properly educated before they make that decision. And we made that commitment. We compiled all the available research we could find and put it on our website and said, read this and ask any question you want. It's not only our research, it's all the research. No one should ever have to Google, does Ibogaine work for, and cross their fingers and hope that we should make that available. They should feel like they're not making a compromise at all. The space, the team, the talent, the vibe, know, ah they should get a daily massage. They should also have sound healings and art therapy and music and nature. And why not? They're about to change their life in a deeply meaningful and profound way. Why should you have to feel Like, you know, you're compromising. It's not like you won't find golden doorknobs at Beyond. Like that's not useful, but you will find a team that's all done psychedelics. Even the doctors, every single one of them, even the nurses, every single one of them does psychedelics to understand and empathize the decision-making process and the experience of the guest. ah Many of us, almost every staff member has done Ibogaine at Beyond. So we know what it feels like to be a guest at Beyond and to be cared for by our team. And we really have deep respect for the people that come here. We see them as the solution, not the problem. They show up thinking they're the problem in their life, in their family, in their job, usually. They're so depressed. They can't be a good dad, they can't be a good mom, or they're chemically dependent, they can't function at the level they want to or need to. But they're about to change in a deep and meaningful way, and we should honor that. We should respect them. And this is, I don't know if you know, personally, you probably heard, this is not the experience in a conventional drug and alcohol rehab in the United States. Most people, nobody comes out of there and brags, and says, oh my God. I just got back from rehab. You should go. oh time ever, yeah. That's what they do from beyond. And we love that because they're, you know, we have integrated populations. have decorated combat veterans with people who are chemically dependent and they actually turns out we've had federal one law enforcement here for the PTSD integrated with people who just last week were doing whatever they needed to do to get their the thing they thought they needed. Fentanyl, cocaine, alcohol, something like that. And it's amazing, you see they have more in common than they thought. They're both suffering from usually childhood trauma, not always, but a deep sense of unworthiness. I'm gonna pause there. I was gonna say that you you kind of brought that up earlier you're talking about uh You know there with the everybody has that sense to kind of want to belong or be part of something and that's that real driving force behind addiction but also that shame there that comes from that from wanting that from Some of us like, know, we're taught not to want anything for ourselves. So you even get that self shame Of wanting something So, and a lot of that trauma even from that, you know, can come back to haunt you and just put you in that kind of self-defeating cycle of shame pretty constantly. Yeah, and it is all too commonly passed on to other generations, right? uh So just because you mentioned it, we have a practice. So each day at 10 o'clock or beyond, everyone who's a guest and all of the staff, unless you're literally focusing and face to face with a client right now, like in treatment, in an Ibogaine treatment or, uh you know, medical consultation, everyone is in one room, we all meditate together. And it was just a 10 minute meditation. it's, know, but it's a great introduction to meditation that allows people who routinely they come and they say, I can't meditate. I don't meditate. And we're like, yes, you do. You actually already meditate, you just meditate on a different mantra, which is, I'm a piece of shit. This traffic sucks. My job sucks. I hate my boss or whatever it might be. You know, I'm stressed out. That is a meditation, but this gives everyday people an opportunity to experience a totally different way of meditating. And then we do this practice where we share about gratitude. Everyone talks to me. If you want, you don't have to. We deeply respect people's autonomy. You don't have to do anything of any of the programming at Beyond, except show up in a way where you can be safe and we can keep you safe. There's some rules around that, of course, sorry. And so at the end of this practice, we do something, you just made me think of it, which is everyone stands there and we practice asking for help. Because so many people were taught, including myself as a child, it's a sign of weakness to ask for help. You should give it, but don't ask for it. It's embarrassing. But we literally think of it as a superpower. We call it a superpower, a skill. And it actually can give someone else a sense of purpose. um In a deep and meaningful way, you might actually change each other's life if you're willing to be vulnerable and ask for help. Absolutely. And so you mentioned that it's that unworthiness, that feeling that we're not even, we don't have the right to get help. And we should just figure it out on our own. That is just a very, aah I think, obsolete concept. And I don't know where it comes from, but it is. Yeah, it's that cycle of that self-destructive shame where you're just like, I don't need anything. And I don't know if it's just, I don't know if it comes from just the determinism of that, you have to do it and get out there and do it all on your own or just that kind of American determinism or individualism or what, but yeah, I think it's there and I think it's a huge part of what causes a lot of that. Yeah, that internalizing that shame of having to ask for help or, you know, needing the help or. I was definitely suffer from that myself. Yeah, it's like, but you feel good if someone asks you for help. You're like, Hey, sir, man, or you might even say no, but at least you don't feel like, Oh, you're so weak. You're such a loser. I never think that I've never thought that when somebody's asking. That's what we think they're going to think sometimes. Right? Anyway, so yeah, that, that, sense that, you know, from. an early age, we have to apologize for needing help making a mistake. This is one of the principal lessons that we we focus on that beyond is self forgiveness. Like, I don't know about you two gentlemen, but I've definitely made some mistakes in my life. And they started long ago, they started in the beginning, they started with math problems, they started with, you know, writing on the wall, my my parents house, whatever it might be, right? Like mistakes are made so that we can learn something. And somehow people came to learn that like if you had a report card and your child or someone that you cared about brought it home and they're like, oh, you made a mistake. You would be like, this is an opportunity for growth and learning. Because once you understand this mistake, you're not gonna make it again. As opposed to the shame around mental health in general, it's not just chemical dependency, unfortunately. It's depression, it's anxiety, it's brain fog, it's inadequacy of the mental cognitive function, I feel stupid, I must be stupid, or chemical dependency. It's almost like we want people to bring that report card home and stick it under their bed and never tell anyone about it and hope it just gets better on their own. That's good analogy, yeah I like that. Obviously bad idea. Like you should come home and say, my God, I just admitted it. I have a problem. I need your help. We are in this together. You know, I would have solved it if I could have, or the other good news, I did solve it. You know, whatever it is, but this shame, I'm so glad you mentioned that. It's so toxic and it builds right onto that victim mindset of like somebody caused this. this choice that I'm making is out of my control. So therefore, instead of just saying like, I need help. Oftentimes people stay in that mindset and they go look for someone to blame. Somebody did me wrong and that's why I can't change. um Anyway, I am so proud of the team at Beyond. One of the biggest problems oh of a business like beyond or eventually like beyond is how do you find people that are really good? And because any I can find doctors, but nobody would want to sit with them and, you know, and feel really like they should trust them. You know, if you ever go to the hospital, have you been to the hospital lately? It is a terrible place. I hate the hospital. John, not just because usually means something bad, but like It's just the programming, the look, the feel, the vibe, the energy is so off for healing. Yeah, and like, you know, even the staff sometimes are like, they don't want to be there. And you can feel that. Really, they don't want to be there. Their hands are tied, insurance, you know, they're like nickel and dime you, they're like five bucks for a Q-tip or whatever. And they feel bad about it. They don't want to do that. And so they don't get the money. and so it's like this dreary dispiriting experience, but it's not the fault of that work that they just literally can't change it. And eventually they got through it. I'd have to quit my job and find a new one. be the same. So one of the challenges of beyond, which is super exciting actually, is to go find technically competent uh doctors and then cause them. to under psychedelics from a personal perspective and want to bring their technical skills into an operating environment like beyond so that they stop thinking that like you're a mechanic. I mean, they're a mechanic and you're a machine. You know, if you break your ankle today, God forbid, you go to the hospital, they're going to like x-ray it, give me some pain medication, set the bone. and send you home, say, come back in six weeks, I'll cut the cast off. You know, very transactional. Yeah. They won't ask you why, you know, why do you want to heal? What are you going to do with your ankle? What mountain will you climb? What dance will you learn? What race will you, you know, race or whatever? There's no vision for the healing. It's just kind of like we're going to you're a machine and we're mechanics. We're just going to They use language like that. We're going to fix your ankle. Healing, in our opinion at Beyond, is synonymous with growth. We are healing all the time. It's not just for sick people. It's for everyone. And medicine, is kind of an important word, think, because drugs is a bad word and medicine is a decent word. I use that with, you virtual air quotes, somehow uh medicine should only be for the sick as opposed to plant medicine like Ibogaine, it's a hydrochloride from a botanical. It's still for learning, it's still for growing. Of course it resets your brain chemistry, but it's also for you to become, you know, be defined by a vision of your future rather than the pain of your past, which is one of the most commonly exhibited uh symptoms of suffering that we get to encounter here at Beyond is, I am the sum total of all my mistakes. I am just a dumpster of painful past memories. No, I love it. think it's a great the kind of what along the same lines, what you're talking about the I had a broken bone recently, I guess, within the past year. And it was, yeah, thank you. It was it wasn't about that's the one thing that struck me kind of what you're saying is they were just saying they were saying this is what you'll be able to do again. It was never about what would you like to do? you know, are your goals for the future? Instead, it was just, you know, this is what you will be able to do with that broken bone and how that is now. So yeah, that's that. I mean, it makes a lot of sense and it. Yeah, healing is for so many people synonymous with this idea of like you don't heal unless you're sick as opposed to well, wait a second if I cut my hand It heals how? By growing yeah, if I have a wound in my heart because I was neglected as a child or I was abandoned or I was harmed And I have this in my mind. in my mind. I need to heal through by growing and replacing it with something better. Nobody stops using chemicals or chemical dependency simply because, we just want to stop. We stop because we want to replace it with something better. uh Meaningful relationships, community, service. Improvement my intellect, the ability to travel the world and not worry about where I'm going to get stuff or if I'm going to get in trouble. You know, like we want freedom. That's the one thing everybody that comes to be honest seeking is this health and optimization. Everyone wants it. It doesn't matter where you start, whether you're a Navy SEAL who can't get out of bed and you feel like a terrible dad. And you don't want to live like that anymore. You're not high performance. You were high performance before you went to combat. And now you have this debilitating condition, post-traumatic stress, and you don't want to live like that anymore. Or whether you're depressed, soccer mom, CEO, entrepreneur, whatever, uh we all want health and optimization. And in. As a result of that, we all want better performance or peak performance or the feeling of being able to not be a guest in our own life. um That's good for it. Kind of talking. So I mean, we've talked a lot about ibogaine and it's, you know, so it's what is that from an African shrub? Yeah. What could you tell us? It's a bark, think about this, how unlikely it is that this would be a tool for such profound, it's so important that the former governor of Texas is on a podcast talking about how it's desperately needed. I mean, this is remarkable. It's a root bark from a shrub in central West Africa that when it is properly utilized, either the actual botanical material, like you eat the bark, or in our case at Beyond, where what we do is we use a hydrochloride. It's a purified, concentrated version of that, where the alkaloid ibogaine has been uh focused so that you can take a lot less of it. Yeah. And you can be extremely, the doctors can be extremely accurate about the dosing. So, whereas if you're eating root bark, which was a ceremonial practice, which has been going on for a very long time and has helped probably many, many, many more people than we'll ever be able to. it's... This is not about clinical accuracy. unlike beyond, there's no clinical evaluation that happens. We believe that our function of health and optimization, of helping people heal, starts with really understanding what's going on in the first place. So... Everyone goes through the same process. No, no corners cut, no shortcuts. They all have, you know, they must, we're fully HIPAA compliant. They have to complete a health history questionnaire. And one of the doctors has to review it and interview that person about that content before they can even decide whether they're coming or not. It's not like you're filling out a form on the website. They're talking to a licensed credential. MD about their health history. frankly, they're fine. There's no charge for that. If they don't want to at that point, they feel like, oh, I don't want to come or I want to wait. That's a great thing to happen. We don't want people to get here. Yeah, it's uncomfortable. So the root bark itself is purified into the hydrochloride in a pharmaceutical laboratory. It's then tested for purity, which has, you know, uh paperwork so we can see exactly what's in it and exactly how much is in it. And so that the doctors feel comfortable saying this, Bryan, is your dose. just like they would in a hospital in a major metropolitan city, they're not going to say, well, I think this is your dose. Let's see what happens. That's just an unacceptable level of risk and or performance outcomes for us. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. how any of us, at least myself, did psychedelics. In the old days, was a year, take this, see what happens. Yeah, I've gotten in trouble doing that a couple too many times. That's not what we're here to do. Right, I was going to say I think Bryan's going to have to wrap it up a little bit. We can keep going. uh I don't want to stomp on him or anything. Just have a good nice little play. you any questions? Anything you want to talk about? Yeah, actually, um before I have to jet out here and go back to work, I guess the big question that I have for you, like as I'm listening to you talk about all these things, I'm like, man, I'm a veteran, I have PTSD. This sounds like something I maybe want to check out. So what does it look like from somebody from conception all the way to being in the chair, ready to take the Ibogaine? How does, what does that look like for somebody to start treatment? So we've treated veterans, law enforcement, first responders since day one. em so ah they would go to the website, they would uh book an appointment to talk to somebody. We feel like talking to someone is fundamental. So about 15 minutes, 30 minutes with someone who understands Ibogaine and understands beyond and can really understand all our case history, all the people that have come. just to learn about why are you coming, just to make sure that like you're in the right place. There might be someplace better for you. I don't know, but we want to meet you. Then we send in our pre-admissions team sends an email, which has an encrypted link in it to a, same software that you would be using at your primary care physician, where you log in, you complete your health history. Once you sign it and save it, routes to one of the physicians. They review it and then they send a Calendly link and book another consultation to review that but with a doctor. That can happen in one day, it can happen in three days. It depends how responsive people are, frankly. ah But it usually takes a few days to get through that process, scheduling and so on. Once they do that, then we have to find a admission date. when you're able to come and you're available and there's space that beyond. Right now, we're booking about four weeks in advance, but that's fine because people, they need to get their life ready and so on, tell their boss, find childcare or pet care or whatever. uh So you get a couple of weeks before you come. During those few weeks, we have coaches that have done Ibogaine, that have been to beyond. that work for Beyond that will help you remotely do, they'll do Zoom calls or whatever, using the materials that we've developed, they'll go through the exercises so that you can start even before you leave your home to think about your intentions, think about your vision of the future, talk about, you'll see all the tools we're going to use and you can start to jump in right away and they'll. They'll encourage that, they'll also help you refine that. Then you'll arrive on day one, right? You'll fly to Cancun, our ground transportation team meets you inside a secure area at the airport. They walk you to our vehicles, they bring you directly to beyond. We have three buildings, all contiguous. They're all integrated, they're uh different vibes. Like one's more like a community feel. uh One is more like a resort feel. uh They all have pools. They all have great environment. But you can use any of them almost like uh a small resort. So you'll arrive on day one. We'll start your admissions process. We do all our own laboratory work, all our own testing, all the EKGs, UDTs to make sure that what you told us in your health history is reflected. in the clinical evaluation that happens upon your arrival. Very loving, very respectful search of your belongings to make sure you didn't accidentally or intensely bring something that is not appropriate to have at beyond. It might be appropriate to have at your home, but we don't want it here. um So uh the nurses, they literally fold your laundry while they're searching your stuff. And while we're reviewing, sort of answering any questions. Then once that process finishes, you get your private accommodations. Everybody stays in their own room. Nobody shares rooms. We give you a tour. We introduce you to the other guests. We can only take 20 guests at a time. 20 to 25, we have a group program now. four veterans that just started where they can come as a cohort. But so 20 private rooms plus what we call the Villa, which is four groups. We introduce everybody, show you around, then you're free to do whatever you want. Cold plunge, fitness, uh yoga, uh sound healing, art therapy, meditation. You know, we're not going to tell you what you have to do. You do that for about three days, day one, day two, and day three, where our coaches and our team are really trying to help you be ready for the Ibogaine experience to get the best result. We'll then do an uh EKG and UDT and more blood work before your Ibogaine treatment to make sure there's been no change between the day before your treatment and the day you arrived. And then when the morning of your treatment, they all start at the same time, 730 in the morning, you'll be lovingly woken up. We literally interview you on how you want to be woken up. Do you want to like get a shower, jump the pool, meditate, do some journaling, whatever you want to do, sleep late. That's cool too. You know, but you have to be up in time to get an IV so that we can provide critical. electrolytes and uh magnesium during your uh Ibogaine treatment. We do another EKG. This will be the fourth since you've arrived. We'll do another UDT to make sure nothing got in your system between last night and this morning. And then as normally happens, all that is exactly how we would expect. It was the same as the day before. we will, the team will do a energy uh cleansing and sort of a auric uh harmonization with a sound bowl and a little bit of a ritual out in the garden. And then just before, uh just after that, we escort you into the treatment room. You'll have your own bed. You'll have a doctor and a nurse monitoring you the entire time that you're going through this process. And we say, you know, we say it this way, there is no need that you have that's too trivial. It's an honor and a privilege to support you while you're going through this process, whether it's, you know, something from the fridge, it's custom playlist. You know, we have the world's sexiest ICU. I was going to say it's in Cancun, so it couldn't be a nicer place to do it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, it has the same equipment, the same technology, the same talent. It just looks like an ICU should look like. Beautiful murals, custom lighting, noise canceling technology, custom playlists, aromatherapy. And, you know, we want you to feel like this is a, uh you know, a deeply profound and meaningful experience, which is going to reset your perspective on your entire painful past memories and discover and to discover and harness the power to heal yourself. We're not doing it. The medicine is not doing it. You're doing it. And you deserve to be treated like that, like honored, respected. This is a privilege for us. I was there this morning at six o'clock this morning supporting three people that were starting their treatments this morning. And that's precisely what I told them is Without you, it's just Monday. With you, I get to live in alignment with my purpose. Thank you very much for letting us be a part of this. Now we're here to make sure you're safe, make sure that you're comfortable and take very good care of you, but make no mistake, you chose, you found the courage, you made the commitment, you're the creative one who is, you know, is in the driver's seat here. We're here to support you. So, And then we, during the, so that's day four. Day five you have a day off. Day six you'll do additional Ibogaine, assuming your tolerance for it was appropriate and you get clinical qualification again. Day seven you have off. Day eight you may do additional Ibogaine or another supplementary psychedelic, such as 5-MeO DMT. Then you're at day nine. Again, we're doing preparation integration workshops every single day of this entire process. So from day one, day two, day three, we do a workshop on preparation integration using tools that we've developed. But you also have access to one-on-one support and coaching with someone who will go deeper perhaps, or maybe you don't feel like talking about everything at the group level. uh every single day except for the one day while you're on the Ivy. Yeah, so that doesn't make sense. You're to be deep into your mind with, you um with a lot going on that day. But we're there to support and sometimes in the second half of the Ivy game experience, oh our coaches can support you and facilitate a conversation, you know, a guided introspection as well. And that goes. all the way through day nine, you travel on day 10. Our ground transport team takes you back to the airport. And then you start your uh coaching via remote again. So remember, I told you that one of the coaches would support you before you come. That same coach uh or therapist is going to support you after you go home for as long as you want. You will do it about four sessions. two before and two after. Some people keep working with that coach for a long time. Gotcha. Does that answer your question, Bryan? Yes, sir. That definitely does. That sounds amazing. mean, a great time for even for going to rehab. It's like, wow. uh We hope it works, right? we don't, we, you know, there's, make no mistake, 0.5 million people will go to rehab this year in the United States. 50 % of the people who go, according to the statistics of the, the uh survey of providers, 50%, 50 % won't even stay until it's over. They leave before it's over. And of the people that stay, if they're asked, hey, was this a satisfactory experience? How many do you think say yes? Yeah, probably not a lot. I was going to say, Evan and Bryan, you've got to get out of here real quick. All right, man. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for being here. You rock, great to meet you. Tom, was great to meet you as well, sir. Thank you so much for taking time to talk with us today. It's a pleasure. Thanks for having me. I'd love to follow up if you're serious to really want to understand what it's like. absolutely. I will be reaching out for sure. I'd it. Thank you so much. Tom at beyond.us. Got it. Okay. Is my email and the URL is beyond.us. Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, we can keep going. Just wanted to get a Bryan get out of here. appreciate it, Welcome back everybody. So that was our interview with Tom Fiegel. He's the head guest founder of Ibogaine Clinic in Mexico, Beyond. You can find them beyond ibogaine.com. It was great. It was a great interview. A lot of interesting insights coming from him. Absolutely. think it's just super fascinating and when you think about it, dude, mean, people are coming out of here saying that they're free of opioid addiction, that they're free of alcoholism, things like that. Like that's pretty cool. It's pretty crazy stuff. What better place to do it than, you know, King with a Cancun, Mexico? Seriously. Like, now obviously it doesn't seem like it's very cheap, but if you can make that happen, if you're in a position where you can, you should definitely go try it. Perfect place to do it. Yeah. Follow them on TikTok beyond us. Follow them Instagram. Follow us too. All at Diversion States. Join us. Hit us up on Patreon. You want to support the show. We're going to start getting some questions and interview. Like, who do you guys want to hear interviewed? We're going to get our Patreon subscribers first. Let them kind of pick if anybody's got, they've got like 300 speakers. Psychedelic science 25 this year, guys. 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